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Date   : Mon, 06 Sep 1982 0903-:00PDT
From   : Jeffrey@Office-2
Subject: printer query results

I received the following messages in response to my "letter
quality printer" query.  My conclusions are:

 - the Diablo 630 is very popular; this is probably a combination
   of reasonable price, good functionality, and high reliability;

 - the Fancy Font software package from Pacific Software is very
   interesting.  I have some brochures and print samples about this
   product and I'm impressed.  Apparently, Fancy Font and an Epson
   printer with Graptrax can together print a number of fonts
   in a number of sizes with several variations in facing (e.g.
   regular, bold, italic, etc.).  The "News Release" from Pacific
   software sort of implies that all samples were printed unreduced
   (i.e. the samples were copies of pages which came "straight from the
   presses").  During a phone conversation with Mr. Overman of
   Pacific Software, I believe he said that the "News Release" itself
   had been reduced.  Well, that's probably just a nit.  The package
   can certainly produce beautiful pages using multiple fonts.
   Don't expect to produce voluminous documents in breathtakingly
   exciting olde english font however.  Print speed is advertised
   as about 6 lines per minute.  


Thanks to all who responded to the query.

Jeffrey Stone
Menlo Park, CA


p.s. My hytype I daisywheeler is back from the shop and I'm $129.55
     lighter.  But -- its worth it.  The old  clunker once again makes
     neat, clean marks on paper.  Maybe I'll stick with it for another
     year.  In any case, I'll certainly order Graftrax ROMs for my 
     Epson and will either purchase Fancy Font or roll my own.




the responses to the printer query follow -->
   
   Date: 31 August 1982 17:54-EDT
   From: Robert Elton Maas <REM at MIT-MC>
   Subject: correspondence printer query --> correspondence service bureau
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   I wish somebody with a printer would open a private business
   which accepts electronic mail and prints it on paper and stuffs
   it in an envelop (or has it printed inside a sealed envelop the
   way bank deposit slips and paychecks are done) and puts postage
   on it (or meters it) and posts it, so I can send mail to
   non-compute people without having to write or print longhand or
   make a trip to campus to pick up my listing and mail it myself.
   This would be sort of like ECOM except it'd be for small
   customers, or like what NIC used to do about 10 years ago for
   free until they ran out of funds.
   
   Date: 31 Aug 1982 1627-PDT
   Sender: SCHNUR at USC-ISI
   Subject: Re: letter quality printer query
   From: SCHNUR at USC-ISI
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   Message-ID: <[USC-ISI]31-Aug-82 16:27:06.SCHNUR>
   In-Reply-To: Your message of 30 Aug 1982 0739-PDT
   
   Jeffrey, My wife has used a nec 7700 printer for about 1 year now
   in our home translating business.  She has typed well over a
   million words in that time frame.  the printer has performed
   flawlessly.  Since the thimbles can take 128 characters it is
   possible to get some fairly versatile print fonts.  As of yet
   however Nec does not produce one that has both a Full roman set
   and enough Greek and scientific characters to be perfect for use
   in all occasions.  At Nrl we also have the two headed Qume top of
   the line printer.  This printer breaks down every month or two
   and its proportional print is poor.  The nec can produce
   excellent copy with a good text writer,e.g.  Vectors memorite
   III, Micropro's wordstar.  So I would go for the NEC over the
   Qume.  I do not know much about the new Diablo.  Joel (NRL 6510)
   
   Date: 31 August 1982 05:11-EDT
   From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ at MIT-MC>
   Subject:  letter quality printer query
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   Hi, Jeffrey, welcome back to the net.  You might try sending your
   inquiry to INFO-PRINTERS@MC - you're more likely to get a reply
   there, I think.  I would enjoy seeing what you get back from this
   query. Thanks.
   
   --Keith
   
   Date: 31 August 1982 21:07-EDT
   From: Leor Zolman <LEOR at MIT-MC>
   Subject: printers
   To: jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   I just bought a Diablo 630, and love it! Especially when combined
   with Mark of the Unicorn's "final Word", which knows all about
   what the Diablo can do. I'm doing all my C docs on it. A BIG win.
   
           -leor
   
   Date: 31 August 1982 21:17-EDT
   From: Charlie Strom <CSTROM at MIT-MC>
   Subject:  correspondence printer query
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   cc: INFO-PRINTERS at MIT-MC
   
   Jeffrey,
   
           I noticed you have an Epson printer. That reminded me
   that there is a most interesting new software package that has
   just been introduced called Fancy Font. This set of programs
   takes advantage of the Epson graftrax rom resolution (apparently
   higher than most if not all other printers in its price class) to
   print a variety of typfaces. The author has included a selection
   of several styles of type in each of several sizes (I have a
   preliminary version, so this may differ slightly from what is now
   being offered), a text formatter which handles the dozen or so
   fonts, the Epson standard character sets, justification, margins,
   headers, etc. with both command line options and imbedded
   controls, as well as a program to edit the supplied fonts and one
   to create those of your own. The latter looks like a real big job
   to me, so I think I'll pass on it!
   
           Anyway, the point of all this is that the print quality
   is fantastic. I can't wait for the reaction when I send my next
   memorandum in old English!
   
           The price of Fancy Font is I believe around $180, and in
   my opinion it is well worth it. Source is:
   
                   Softcraft
                   8726 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Suite 1641
                   Los Angeles, Ca. 90045
                   213-641-3822
   
   
   Date: 5 September 1982 20:05-EDT
   From: Charlie Strom <CSTROM at MIT-MC>
   Subject:  correspondence printer query
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   cc: CSTROM at MIT-MC
   
   Sounds like you are as impressed as I was [editor's note: Charlie
   is referring to Fancy Font].  I do not think you
   will be disappointed with the formatter. It allows justification,
   centering, variable margin size, headers, footers, etc., and up
   to ten fonts/document. I am currently playing around with the
   definition of fonts of my own using the Hershey Character set as
   a basis. This looks like a most simple proposition.
   
   Regards,
   Charlie Strom <CSTROM@MC>


   Date: 31 August 1982 21:48-EDT
   From: Dan Blumenfeld <DAN at MIT-ML>
   Subject: High Quality Printers
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   Jeffrey,
   
   If you're currently looking at diablo-type printers (and you're
   willing to pay $3-4K), I suggest that you give SanTek (formerly
   Sanders Technology) a call.  They manufacture a "high-density"
   dot-matrix printer which uses a multi-pass technique to produce
   high quality output.  I've been using one recently, and it's
   really a nice unit.
   
   The printer has many features worth mentioning.  First of all,
   the key to the flexibility of the printer is that it accepts up
   to six ROM cartridges (similar to the Atari Game Cartridges),
   each one containing either one or two fonts.  By sending the
   printer commands (it has lots of them), you can switch between
   fonts, etc.  It sure beats changing Daisywheels.
   
   Another very useful feature of the printer is that it has
   different print qualities (which is does by changing the number
   of passes per line). When preparing drafts, you can use the draft
   ("Epson") quality which in itself looks pretty good.  The nice
   thing about this is that the printer zips along at over 300 cps
   bidirectional.  The highest quality output is printed at about 75
   cps or so, which blows away Diablos.  There are also intermediate
   quality settings which require less time to print.  All of this
   is also under software control.
   
   As far as fonts go, SanTek has a catalog which has everything
   from Helvetica to Cyrillic to Hebrew, as well as Presentation
   Fonts, Greek/Math Fonts, etc. They also have a dot-plot ROM to so
   that one can turn out graphs and charts.
   
   The printer lists for about $4K which is much more cost effective
   than the double daisywheel diablo.  The only drawback of the
   printer is that it is not the most quiet printer I've seen.  Then
   again, for 300+ cps, I can tolerate a bit of noise.  Hope this
   helps out...
   
   Dan
   
   Date:  1 Sep 1982 (Wednesday) 0827-EDT
   From: ATHEY at LLL-MFE
   Subject: printers
   To:   jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   
   Well - there are lots of printers available.  Since you already
   have an EPSON that tells me that you don't want something really
   expense like a Sanders or Malibu - and that you don't need a dual
   mode printer. Diablo and QUME are probably the most popular with
   the Diablo being my preference BUT there is another one on the
   market which lists for half the price of the Diablo - it is the
   Daisywritter.  This nice machine sells for $1495.00 with a 48K
   buffer and $1095 with a 16K buffer(I think). The actual print
   speed is 30 cps BUT it has a fast slew rate of 200 cps, which is
   used for 1 to n spaces...effectively giving it a throughput of 50
   - 90 cps for average letters..the Diablo 16xx print at 55 cps
   max. Better yet with the 48K buffer which can be downloaded in
   approx. 30 secs. the printer will continue to print for about 30
   min....leaving your machine free to do what it will.  If this
   isn't enough there is one more capability...it handles all of the
   Diablo/Qume/Centronics data protocols as well as having 4(not 1)
   interfaces: IEE 488, Serial, Centronics Parallel, and I forgot
   what the fourth one is.  You don't pay extra for these --- it
   comes with all 4.  Sounds like this would get you the most for
   your money as well as doing the job you need to get done.  If
   your requirements are not what I assumed let me know and I'll see
   if there isn't something around to fill them.
   
                                   Chuck Athey - ATHEY@LLL-MFE
   
   
   
   Date:  1 Sep 1982 1023-PDT
   From: Jim Moore <MOORE at USC-ISIB>
   Subject: Re: letter quality printer query
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2, info-cpm at BRL
   In-Reply-To: Your message of 30 Aug 1982 0739-PDT
   
   Jeffrey,
   
   We have been using a Diably o 630 (ksr), and are completely
   satisfied with it. Excellent quality printing & reliability.
   Only problem (minor) is that to use it w/ Wordstar, two of the
   "smart" chips have to be pulled.  Seems that too much
   intelligence is not a good thing.
   
   I would be interested in your replies.
   
   Good luck,
   
   Jim
   
   Date:  2 Sep 1982 1406-PDT
   From: Jim Moore <MOORE at USC-ISIB>
   Subject: Re: letter quality printer query
   To: Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   In-Reply-To: Your message of 1 Sep 1982 1806-PDT
   
   Jeffrey,
   
   I got mine (2) [editor's note, Jim is referring to a Diablo
   630] for about $2500, w/ a hefty which included a hefty
   discount.  If you use wordstar, you will want to pull out the
   chips in sockets F23 and F32. You might be able to save $$s by
   buying a 630 w/o these chips initially.  They make the 630 "too
   smart" for WS to deal with.
   
   I got a b-i-dir. tract. feed and a cut-sheet feeder (from someone
   else).  I am very pleased w/ both. The feeder is expensive, so
   unless you plan to do A LOT of typing on cut sheets and
   envelopes, I reccomment that you pass on this one.
   
   Good luck.
   
   Jim Moore
   
   Date:  3 Sep 1982 (Friday) 2001-EDT
   From: HUNEYCUTT at WPAFB-AFWAL
   Subject: Quality printer..
   To:   Jeffrey at OFFICE-2
   
   
   Hi,
   
     If you're not worried about speed and want to go the 12-1500 $
   range now available, the F10 (C.Itoh) can't be beat.  40 CPS and
   all the bells and whistles you could want with fully-formed
   characters.  In fact, this moose has features that none of the
   word processing packages can currently take advantage of, like
   down-loading printwheel specs, etc...
   
   Doug
   
   Date: Saturday, 4 September 1982  23:59-EDT
   Sender: ZVONA.GYRO at MIT-OZ
   From: ZVONA.GYRO at MIT-MC
   To:   Jeffrey at Office-2
   Subject: letter quality printer query
   
   We use a Diablo 630 with excellent results.  These are not as
   reliable as the older Diablos (e.g. 1650) but are much less
   expensive.  If you get a non-630 Diablo, just be sure it uses
   metal printwheels -- the plastic ones wear out too fast.
   
   If you really feel extravagant you can buy a Wang/Diablo on the
   surplus market (I can get you one for $2800 but you probably want
   to buy it out in CA) and a Morrow Mult I/O (by far the best S-100
   card for controlling one of these).  A friend of mine has had one
   of these for three years, and except for when he plugged the
   interface in backwards, @i<nothing> has ever gone wrong with it
   -- these babies are @i<solid>.
   
   -- Scott
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