Derlwyn Howard Edwards, 1916-1997

Born:17-Dec-1916Derlwyn Howard EDWARDSPontypridd, Aberdare, Monmouthshire, Wales
Parents:  Gomer EDWARDS
Lucie LIMB
 
Married:12-Feb-1946 Harriet Marsay HARKERHenley
Children:01-Sep-1946Susan ElizabethWhitby, North Yorkshire
 29-May-1948Robert HowardWhitby, North Yorkshire
 22-Aug-1951David Malcolm 
 12-Feb-1953Peter Graham 
 28-Apr-1955Lucie Margaret 
 24-Aug-1956Judith Anne 
 25-Jul-1958Gillian Mary 
Married:Q3 1978 Alice M FERMSheffield
Died:1997 Nassau, Bahamas

Most of the following is edited from a discussion on Sheffield Forum.

Early years

Derlwyn Howard Edwards was born on 17th December 1916 in Aberdare, Glamorgan, South Wales. He was the youngest of Gomer and Lucie's five children the others being Bertha 14, Alan 12, Hazel 11 and Ewert 6. Ewert died the following year aged 7, whether through illness or accident I do not know. Derlwyn must have grown up without siblings close to his age.

It is possible that he was at school with Jimmy Young, who became a well-known singer and later a popular DJ. It seems possible. Young was born in 1921, Edwards in 1918; Young was born in Gloucestershire, just across the River Severn from Wales.

As mentioned on here Howard won a schoolboy rugby cap for Wales.

University

Howard (he rarely used the name Derlwyn) went to University College, London, where he studied mathematics. There he met my grandmother Harriet Harker (known as June), who was also studying there. (She was the first girl from Whitby to get a scholarship to go to University.)

RAF and World War II

After University Howard served in the RAF during World War II. He had the rank of Flight Lieutenant in the RAF. I think he had trained as a pilot, probably in Tiger Moth biplanes, though I don't know whether he gained a pilot license. He once mentioned that he had done parachute training (his wife, who was listening, was quick to riposte, "They had to push him out of the plane"). He may have served in the Far East, as I have some RAF maps of eastern China that I think were his. June worked for the BBC World Service in Paris, and caught the last train out when the Germans entered.

Apart from his rugby cap for Wales, I heard that he had achieved distinction (possibly championships) in the RAF in tennis and boxing. He probably left the RAF in 1945, when the war ended, and presumably started his studies at London University that year.

Howard met his future wife Harriet in London; they married in early 1946, and evidently she was expecting their first child at that time.

Demob Studies

After serving in the War Howard took the demob teacher training course and became a teacher. I didn't know that he taught in Belfast, but I know about him teaching in Musselborough, outside Edinburgh and then Stoke on Trent before coming to Sheffield in the 1963.

While moving around the country they had seven children, Susan, Robert, David, Peter, Lucie, Judith and Gillian.

Howard became headteacher at Owler Lane School, Sheffield, which was later moved to Hinde House. June was also a teacher, and I believe she was head teacher at Lydgate Lane Primary when she retired in 1978.

In the early 1970s Robert left to never see him again. We found out a few years ago that he now lives in the middle east. (edit: more recently in Romania)

When grandma died in 1993 the coroner said "so, Harriet was a widow?" to which we all replied "yes", without thinking. I don't know if my grandfather is dead, but he would be 90 years old now.

That's probably more than 97% of what I know about him. They divorced in about 1976 and had been living apart before then, so I only have one composite memory of him - sitting in the armchair asking how many fingers he had.

Early Career

He would probably have entered University College London in 1946 and presumably lived in London from 1946 to 1949. However his first son was born in Whitby, Yorkshire, in 1948 (maybe that was during a summer holiday). If he taught in Belfast, as another post mentions, it must have been around 1949. Derlwyn Howard Edwards taught maths (& rugby) at Stanfield School in Stoke on Trent from 1957 to 1963, when he took up the headship at Owler Lane, which was later moved to Hinde House. Previously, he had taught at a public school in Musselborough, outside Edinburgh, and before that, at a school in Belfast.

In the early 1950s he and his family lived in a small terraced house on Eskside East in Musselburgh, Midlothian. During that time he taught at Loretto School, a well-known boys' school near Musselburgh. He was not yet earning enough to buy a television set; on Saturday afternoons his children went to Luca's ice cream shop on the High Street, where they could buy a threepenny ice and watch "The Lone Ranger". (Luca's still exists.)

In Musselburgh he was active in the local Air Training Corps (presumably 297 Squadron, whose motto is "Honesty"). I don't know whether he was commander of the squadron, but as a former Flight Lieutenant, he would have been of sufficient rank. The ATC hut, festooned with aircraft recognition drawings, was on Goose Green Crescent on the east bank of the River Esk, not far from his house.

As a mathematician, Mr. Edwards may have been active in the Royal Statistical Society. His name is mentioned in a JSTOR citation of an article in the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, published in 1957 and titled "The replacement cost of fixed assets in British manufacturing industry in 1955".

Around 1958 he moved to Biddulph in Staffordshire. He and his family lived at the end of Charles Street, in an imposing detached house, at that time surrounded by open fields, and named "Tall Oaks" after the eponymous grand trees which lined the drive. During that period he was teaching in a nearby town (other posts in this thread indicate that this was Stoke-on-Trent).

Sheffield

He moved to Sheffield in 1961, to take up his new job as headmaster of Hinde House comprehensive school. None of his children attended this school; his eldest son went to King Edward VII School and the other children, I suppose, to local primary or grammar schools. His house was on Fulwood Road, in a quiet residential district of Sheffield. As far as I know, he lived there until his divorce.

After his RAF service, he rarely or never ventured overseas. Apart from Welsh, he was not known to speak any foreign language (although I understand that his wife spoke French). In the summer holidays, he usually took his family either to his mother-in-law's house in Whitby, north Yorkshire, or to a caravan site in Skegness on the east coast of Lincolnshire.

As a young man, he rode a motorcycle with a sidecar, and later drove three-wheeler "bubble cars" (as they were then known), first a Messerschmidt and then a Heinkel. As his career advanced he bought a series of progressively larger cars, none of which he kept very long. They included two old Rolls-Royces (I think 1929 and 1937 models).

As to his physical appearance (for example, his reputed resemblance to a tall Welsh Dracula): his height was about 5'11". He had a strong angular face. He had thick dark hair and used Brylcreme (is that the right spelling?). There was a period when he had one false tooth, which he could protrude to scare or entertain his children (maybe this is the origin of the Dracula reference). In middle age he had to have all his teeth extracted and thereafter wore dentures; as I recall, they were of human rather than vampire morphology. Other than that, he was physically fit. He never had any major physical illness. He was somewhat stocky in his 50s but he must have been slim when he was young; I recall seeing his blue and white striped college blazer, and being astonished that he could ever have been that thin.

He did not smoke, although his wife did. He drank bottled beer, rarely wines or spirits. His preferences in food tended towards traditional English dishes like roast beef, potatoes and Yorkshire pudding.

I don't recall his using Welsh in conversation apart from the occasional phrase like "croeso y cymru" or "cymru am byth". However, he liked Welsh songs. He had a good singing voice, I would guess baritone. Somewhere there may be a tape recording of his rendition of "Sospan Vach". On motoring trips, he was prone to sing humorous ditties like "The Bear Went Over The Mountain" and "Riding Down From Bangor", an American college song (the Bangor in question is in Maine, not Wales).

Did he have a warmer side or a sense of humour? I can't recall his telling a joke. But he was known to play practical jokes. One such was to creep up behind his wife in the kitchen and "knee" her in the back of her legs, which made her laugh.

Family

His relationship with his children could be described as authoritarian. They did not attend the schools where he taught, so they did not experience his "work" personality. He was not prone to express affection for them. He occasionally or maybe regularly administered corporal punishment to them, both the boys and the girls. He also had a system of disciplining the children, which he called "penance": if a child did something wrong, he or she had to do a task such as cleaning the house. This is apparently a concept that originates from the Catholic church. I don't think though that Mr Edwards was a Catholic or indeed a regular churchgoer of any denomination.

He must have hoped for his sons to become sportsmen like himself. I recall that he gave one of his sons a set of boxing gloves as a birthday present. The boy was (privately) horrified.

He did not seem to push or influence his children in their studies or careers, but he probably envisaged university studies for most of them. His eldest daughter obtained a place at London University but dropped out in the first year, returning home with a female companion whom Mrs. Edwards described as "neurotic". Mr. Edwards was secretly proud when his eldest son won a scholarship to Cambridge University, but never said so to his son. During his studies at Cambridge, the young man severed all ties with his father but nevertheless graduated with first class honours and promptly left the country.

Otherwise, Mr. Edwards seemed to have no close friends, no hobbies or recreational activities, and rarely went to pubs, bars or restaurants. He read the Manchester Guardian, a left-of-centre newspaper, but did not express opinions on politics, sex, religion or current affairs. He seemed very focussed on his teaching and was prone to take work home.

For relaxation, he watched television. I think he liked the BBC science-fiction series "Quatermass and the Pit" which was broadcast in 1957. He disliked the 1960 series "The Strange World of Gurney Slade", which he described as "punk" (an innovative or prescient use of this word). Among the actors of his generation, he liked Kenneth More, who typically played stoic heroes such as Douglas Bader. His favourite TV programmes included "The Army Game" and "Whack-O" (starring Professor Jimmy Edwards - no relation). Could it be that he modelled himself on the Headmaster of Chiselbury School?

He married Harriet Marsay Harker, born in Whitby and had seven children, 3 sons and 4 daughters

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01-10-2004, 11:06 AM, timo

Cycleracer, like you I have always found Edwards an intriguing subject. I have made clear my opinions of his notoriously sadistic behaviour towards pupils and staff alike on the Hinde House thread. There is no point whatsoever in repeating myself here. However, I can supply a few background details. His christian name was Derwyn, which sounds rather Welsh to me. Indeed, I always thought he was Welsh, as mixed in between the Edward Heath- style, pompous tones there seemed to be the timbre of the valleys. He lived in Fulwood whilst Headmaster in the seventies, was married and had at least one daughter.

There are many tales which abound about this deeply unpleasant and misanthropic man. All of the ones I have heard include allegations of cruelty in some form or other. Frankly, I dare not repeat them [they may be allegations all along] on an open forum. All I do know is that I witnessed his behaviour at Hinde House, and it remains shocking and undeniably fascinating to this day.

01-10-2004, 12:25 PM, timo

Just remembered, Edwards retired about 1977. When I went into the Sixth Form in Sept 77, he had gone. Hill and Batty were then in charge, and I think the plump, balding Hill was actually the Head. He was pleasant enough, certainly a world away from Edwards' warped antics. I remember, come to think of it, an incident where Edwards was shouted down on Open Day by the irate father of a boy called Crookes. The caped one had been boasting about his achievements, and the boy's father gave him a rough time regarding his bullying treatment of pupils. Edwards, like a typical coward, got flustered and kept calling to his deputy, Mr Caratt, for aid. I also recall his ludicrous, moralising speeches at morning assembly, usually around cliched themes such as, "Don't throw away the baby with the bathwater", and "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" etc. In the latter case, he had a huge spoon as a theatrical prop, which, to the delight of pupils and staff, dropped out of his hands and crashed on the floor, ruining his composure wonderfully. He was also rumoured to be colour-blind, and allegedly attacked a boy for daring to wear a yellow jumper, when he was wearing regulation grey.

01-10-2004, 08:50 PM, PaulTansley

Thanks Timo, interesting stuff there.

Maybe his family may slip onto this forum through some search engine and put there story in too. CR

02-10-2004, 09:16 AM, timo

Cycleracer, one possible explanation for Edwards' behaviour [aside from neuro-chemical imbalance...] may lie in wartime experiences. A friend of ours from Newcastle had a Headmaster who behaved similarly to the sinister, caped one. The Newcastle man had become very disturbed due to his experiences of torture at the hands of the Japanese. Unfortunately, I have no information on Edwards' war record. He was probably an Untersturmbannfuhrer in Das Reich SS Division, anyway! Mind you, re the case of the ex-Japanese POW, I knew Rupert Cox, the Deputy Head at Concord Middle School and he was a marvellous teacher who never let his experiences of Japanese captivity sour his nature. Maybe Edwards was just one of life's sadists.

02-10-2004, 10:19 AM, hazel

Hi

I don't know anything about Mr Edwards but I was told that men and women who had been in the forces during the war were allowed to take a short version of Teacher training. A sort of short cut to employment.

hazel

02-10-2004, 05:03 PM, timo

Hazel, yes I'd heard that too. I wonder if that was the case with the terrifying Edwards? I'd love to know where he taught prior to Hinde House. I'll bet that he spent many an hour in retirement, smiling to himself as he recalled the beatings and humiliations he'd delivered to petrified children. I can just imagine him, fondling his beloved robes, as he recalled the strict canings he'd administered as he sipped a glass of blood.

Cycleracer, just remembered Edwards' motto, which he would regularly share with the pupils and teachers as they sat in cowed silence at morning assembly; "Good manners, common sense". This is actually an admirable motto, but the Prince of Darkness himself did not practice it. I do take your point before about how his savagery could be amusing when applied to the deserving bully boy and "hardcase" types. We ought to form an Edwards Society, where members swish canes and swap anecdotes, dressed in black robes. The toast would be , "To Derwyn Edwards, Good Manners and Common Sense". Pity we can't find out a bit more about the bugger...

14-05-2005, 06:10 PM, 1234

17-05-2005, 10:13 PM, timo

Dear 1234,

Thankyou for this information. The Edwards Society are most grateful to you. I shall send you a private message.

18-05-2005, 04:39 PM, PaulTansley

Wow, very interesting 1234, I will PM you when I return to England next week.

Cycleracer.

19-05-2005, 11:11 AM, timo

1234,

I reiterate my gratitude to you here. Did you know Mr Edwards personally? If so, in what capacity? You have certainly helped to shed some light on his background. The Welsh International Rugby cap does not surprise me in the least, as he was an impressive, towering and obviously strong physical specimen. With no disrespect intended to the Welsh, Mr Edwards was considerably above average height. I would imagine that he had some English ancestry too.

The public school connection also does not surprise me. He conducted himself in the stereotypically aloof manner of a public school Head. When he swished by in his cape [and he had the disconcerting gift of appearing out of nowhere when least expected, and least wanted], even the teachers appeared to freeze with terror.

I have criticised his bullying behaviour [although, mercifully, I was never a victim of it], and stand by what I said. Edwards went much too far. However, when one reflects upon the indiscipline in so many of today's schools, it occurs that a less physical version of Derlwyn Edwards might do wonders in a 'sink school'. I absolutely guarantee that his vampiric presence, and cold, hard stare would serve to stop even the most anarchic and disruptive pupils.

1234, I wonder [I type this with trembling fingers] if you have access to any photographs of this legendary Headmaster? If so, and we could see them on the forum, I would be both delighted and terrified.

Regards, Timo

15-10-2006, 09:07 AM, sirglyn

I started at Owler Lane in 1960 and our headmaster for the first year was the most beloved Mr Walter Gregory, known to one and all as 'Pop'. After he retired we had Mr Pashley as acting head for a while and then Mr Edwards came along around 1962. From the getgo he was a pain in the tush. It was his first gig as headmaster and, looking back, he was obviously unsure of himself and compensated by coming on super heavy.

He was always going on about litter and if you as much as accidentally dropped a bus ticket while taking something out of your pocket he'd accuse you of littering and make you go round the playground during break and pick up the non-existant litter. He also had one of those pull down linen towels installed then forbade us to use it and then he got a bee in his bonnet about pupils deferring to staff when going through doors and I even saw the SOB run and drag a lad away from a door when he was a half length of the hall in front of him.

Funny thing is though, I only ever had him for one class while I was at Owler Lane and he was ok. Our PE teacher was off and Mr E took it upon himself to sub for the day. He didn't make us do anything too strenuous and actually smiled and seemed to enjoy himself.

I heard the stories about bullying kids who couldn't do math and actually saw a friend break down and cry an hour or two after one of his maths lessons. We all moved to Hinde House in '63 and I think he restricted his teaching to A level maths, in other words, teaching kids who could actually do it, so no bullying stories.

When we had the en masse transfer to Hinde House he did, of course,make his mark by immediately shutting down Mr Ridgeway's tuck shop using litter as his excuse and it was from that time that the academic gowns started to appear. I can only assume that the heads of department were wearing them on E's orders.

Actually, he didn't look very old and I'm sure he would have been too young to retire in '77. I did hear, though, that he had gone to Spain for retirement and had advertised for a woman to go with him. Don't know what happened though.

All told he was an unhappy and aloof person who probably had a pretty crap childhood and was educating in the way that he had been educated.I'm also guessing that he got the job through 'social' contacts rather than academic ones.The people who did the appointing should have chosen someone local,E was just clueless about relating to working class kids or maybe,as they say these days,he just wasn't a people person.

27-12-2006, 03:25 PM, jgharston

Wow! I was just updating my family tree documents on my website and thought I'd do a few web searches to see if any members could be found. Searching for my grandma I found a reference to her in a thread about my grandad! He was in the RAF before teaching, and I have a couple of photos of him in uniform.

Reading the thread about him brings back memories. Don't worry - they are all correct!

My grandma was also a teacher, and was head at Lydgate Lane school when she retired.

My family history info is at mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/FamilyTree. Originally Posted by timo

I'll bet that he spent many an hour in retirement, smiling to himself as he recalled the beatings and humiliations he'd delivered to petrified children. I can just imagine him, fondling his beloved robes, as he recalled the strict canings he'd administered as he sipped a glass of blood. Almost my only memories of my grandad are him sitting in an armchair, raising his hand and saying "how many fingers?"

My grandparents divorced in about 1977 and he went to live with his new lady in Thorpe Hesley. I was only about 8, so he is very vague in my memories.

Originally Posted by sirglyn

I remember your grandma well. She subbed at Owler Lane for a while and taught my class. She was a nice lady. It's very telling that you didn't see your grandfather after his divorce. Was he so aloof that he didn't want to see his own grandchild? We saw him once, we went to his place in Thorpe Hesley and met his probably new wife. Also, have you any idea of when he was born? Looking back, he didn't seem that old. I'm sure he wouldn't have been due for retirement until the late 1980s. Check out the family tree at http://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/FamilyTree

06-01-2007, 02:09 PM, Falls

Originally Posted by hazel

I don't know anything about Mr Edwards but I was told that men and women who had been in the forces during the war were allowed to take a short version of Teacher training. A sort of short cut to employment. Yes, people returning from military service did take these short courses to become teachers. Some of the courses were only a matter of a few weeks: sixteen seems to stick in my memory. I was at Burngreave (or "Stalag Burngreave" as it was affectionally known at the time) soon after the war and most of the new teachers we had were graduates of these short training programs. They were a mixed bag. Some were first rate, while others were definitely in the wrong job.

I never knew Mr. Edwards, mentioned earlier in this thread; however, the behaviour pattern described was common in head teachers of the time. Infact it was the rule rather than the exception. Obsessed about litter or the endless rants at Friday assembly about this, that and the other. Happy days.

Regards

08-03-2007, 09:04 PM, MikeJ

What struck me when I was a trainee teacher (summer 1974) at Hinde House was the shocking disunity and lack of enthusiasm in the staffroom. Apart from a decent, left wing-ish creative English teacher. Sports day was a sad affair; few teachers, few parents, and not that many pupils either bar the contestants. I would like to publicly apologise to the young lad who I asked to count the red cars going over the Tinsley Viaduct for 10 minutes, though.

25-04-2007, 08:21 PM, JRH

I have often wondered how much of Mr Edward's personality was an act and how much was genuine. If it was an act then it was very convincing, especially to kids. He had distinctive moods, good and bad, but the good moods were rare. He was capable of getting very angry. On the other hand he relied a lot on stock phrases and techniques, as though it was all rehearsed a thousand time before. With other adults his personality could be weak, almost bumbling and a with an awkward sort of grin.

I had him for 'O' level maths from 1971 to 1973. It is certainly not true that he was okay with people who were good at the subject. Nobody got off lightly. I joined the class halfway through the autumn term. On Mondays there were two maths periods, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. I joined at the start of the afternoon class and got the shock of my life.

Before his arrival one kid was cleaning the blackboard, as Edwards would never do this task himself. He stormed into the room in full flowing black cape.

"Sit down. This morning I was dealing WITH...?"

All the hands except mine went up. I was sitting on the front row. He swivelled round and slowly and silently crept up towards me, lips tightened, his piercing eyes ending up about two inches away from my face. What was I supposed to do? It wasn't his intimidating stature, nor the fact that he was the important headmaster. It was Edwards' ability to look like a psychopath that did it for me.

"I've just started in this class, so I don't know what you said this morning".

"Oh yes", as though he had just remembered there was going to be a new arrival. "Name?"

There was a definite military atmosphere to the classroom, like I was a raw recruit to the army. The other kids were more used to it. The format of the lessons was unusual. There was rarely any individual studying or writing in the classroom. That was to be done at home according to a strict homework regime. Instead, the lessons mostly comprised of him furiously scribbling maths on the blackboard, with the class telling him what to write. Anyone failing to put up his or her hand in response to a question was instantly singled out for a bullying. I never quite understood why anyone putting up a hand and then giving a wrong answer, or sometimes no answer at all, got off relatively lightly.

There is no way that Edwards would get away with his teaching methods by today's standards, in fact it's amazing he got away with it even by the old standards. I went through hell for the first few weeks as I had to catch up with what the rest had been learning in the first half of the term. On one Monday morning I was dragged out from the desk and manhandled out to the blackboard. I just didn't get what he was talking about. My head was then knocked into the board. In recounting this story the rest of the class would joke that when I turned round I had 2+3 chalked in reverse on my forehead. The man had totally lost his temper. In the afternoon he came close to an apology by saying something like "let's not get into a repeat of this morning". It didn't make me feel any better though.

As has been pointed out on other postings, Edwards' approach could be quite funny when it wasn't directed at you, but at kids who deserved it, or when it caused embarrassment to the other teachers. The classrooms were connected by doors at the back that were not normally used. On one occasion there was a particularly rowdy class in the room next door being taken by Mr Short, the economics master. Edwards sneaked up to the door and a large bunch of keys was produced. After finding the right key the door was slowly opened and he just stood there in the doorway. The noise carried on for some time until one by one, each kid in the class noticed him. Eventually there was total silence, followed by the sound scraping of chairs (it was the rule that a class would have to stand up when a senior teacher entered a room). He stood there for a few more seconds, I image giving the piercing stare, before retreating back into our classroom and closing the door. So without saying a single word he terrified that class into submission. Such was the power of his presence. You could later hear Short moaning to his class something like "in all my teaching career that has never happened to me before".

One more example: We were waiting on the landing to go into the classrooms. Some kids were mucking about by the balcony, perhaps some sort of exchange of missiles between landings. Several teachers had already passed by and had made comments along the lines of "stop doing that". Then a warning shout went up "Edwards! [is coming]". There was an instant scramble to get into line outside the classroom, followed by quiet. A few seconds later he skipped up the stairs, fully caped, seemingly totally oblivious to the previous chaos. He saw the queue and muttered, "oh, its it locked?" The bunch of keys was produced and we followed him in. He was in one his rare good moods. Typically during these times the hair would be slightly dishevelled and he would be at his most bumbling. The class came to recognise the signs and could relax more in this atmosphere. The accent would often slip and the Welsh origins would show through.

When he wasn't shouting and not following the script, he would stammer and find it difficult to find the right word. He was also prone to the occasional spoonerism. For example "these two circles" became "these cool turtles" much to the amusement of the class.

Catchphrases:

I mentioned that he relied upon various stock phrases, which to us became catchphrases. The following are some of my favourites. The first is the "rubbish" crescendo:

In a whisper "Rubbishhh", followed in a sarcastic half laugh "Rrrraarbish", finishing in a loud and angry "RUBBISH!", usually repeated and often followed by "Stand up!"

He would then get the subject to recite a phrase or a formula "Again, again, again" with increasing speed and finishing with "D'you think you've got it now into your thick skull?"

"You've seen it before a thousand times. How many times do you have to say it before it gets into your thick skull?"

[while punching a question printed in the textbook] "...BUT...BUT...". To the Sheffield ear this sounded more like "bat...bat".

[At the beginning of a reprimand] "I want your full and undivided attention." Repeated.

"The (results/behaviour/event/etc) was nothing short of disgraceful." Repeated at least three times in a crescendo.

"Just a bit of backbone, at bit of determination, is what it takes"

Keeps asking "why?" until the subject can't think of an answer, then goes into attack.

"Sit down please."

"Sorry."

"erhm, you see...erhm, you see..."

Other quotes that I heard him say only once, but are memorable are as follows:

[To one of the girls] "I think you're an ignorant little slut".

"Jump up and down Taylor. Keep jumping up and down until you've woken up."

"THIS" (bang bang on the board) "is in square metres, but THIS" (bang bang) "is in square...oh er sorry, er sorry..." (lots of rolling the board up and down)..."Pass-on".

"My wife is very fond of Beethoven, in fact she plays the music so loud we get complaints from the neighbours"

What else do I know about Derlwyn Edwards? Apart from his teaching methods he seemed to be a clever man. He was a Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society and seemed to know more about mathematics than would be needed for just teaching kids. He seemed to have a genuine interest in the subject. He was a strong advocate of the comprehensive school system. Perhaps that's what brought him to Sheffield in the first place? One of his favourite speech day subjects was the abolition of the 11+ exam. I think he believed that every kid had unused potential and that he saw it as his job to develop that potential to its maximum.

Do I regret having him as a teacher? Well, I hated it at the time, but at least I passed the 'O' level, and incidentally, so did every other member of the class.

In front of other adults it was all toned down. In the sixth form we had Mr Trevor Smith for maths. As head of department, Mr Smith said that he had sat in on some of Edwards' lessons, presumably in response to the many complaints, but that he had not witnessed anything untoward.

Smith left Hinde House a few months before our 'A' level exam in 1975 and Edwards returned to the class for one final round of madness. At first he tried to treat us like young adults, but that lasted for only about two lessons, then the patience collapsed and then it was back to the standard, snarling, bad tempered Edwards.

Pass on...

26-04-2007, 11:25 PM, DavidRa

Congratulations the best reply on a thread I have read since joining the forum.

The problem with comprehensive education was the removal of the 11 plus. Over a period of time schools such as Firth Park Grammar, located in a generally poorer area than say Fulwood became problem schools. OK if you lived at the posh end of Sheffield.

The system is more biased than it was before in terms of ability of pupils, it now depends where you live on the school you go to. I was someone who benefitted going to the Central Technical School at the age of 13, where we had a disciplinarian as Head one Mr Wadge. The school would have been closed down today and most of the teachers would be on trial for litigation trial this that & the other, the political correctness crap as gone a bit too far.

One of the guys I worked with who left your school about 20 years ago stated that the teachers who were there were negative about life and their lack of ambition was installed into the pupils and they said that the pupils would not amount to much in life, basically saying what you do is not important. Teachers can plant that little success seed in your brain even if it stays subconscious for some time.

26-04-2007, 09:24 PM, martinC

I remember him vividly. I only spent 3 years at Hinde House, from 1967 to 1970 but he still stands out in my memory.

He used to walk into assembly with his mortar board hat on, black cape and the hymn book under his arm. I think he had super powers like the characters off the TV series The Champions. If you even whispered he would hear you and give you a dressing down.

I can remember being late and having to sign the late book. Sat on the no2 bus coming up Wincobank looking at our watches, urging the bus to go faster so not to be late, running down the lane past the cemetry. Mr Edwards scared most people but we respected teachers in those days, unlike today where the teachers have no control over the kids... sad but true.

Miss Frohock was another to be wary of as well - she took no prisoners either.

Happy Days!!

08-03-2008, 04:36 AM, dfs346

08-03-2008, 08:53 AM, Fareast

What many modern educational 'experts' seem to forget is a fairly obvious psychological condition :- [ Roughly ] The more powerful or threatening the 'enemy', the more united and friendly the group,

One can see how this works with the military or with dangerous occupations like mining or fishing, [i.e. a foreign army, mining accidents, the sea]. Most of these types of groups are closely-knit and co-operate extremely well whilst on the job and even outside of it.

The same goes for teaching and schools, I think. The tougher the teacher or headteacher, the more united the students and the more comradely they are towards each other. Schools are not democracies or rational societies. The students are, by definition, immature, and the population is always changing.

I'm sure the general tendency is that a weak, 'democratic' regime in a school leads to bullying and disorder. The 'hard' or vicious students simply fill the power vacuum created by weak or non-existent leadership. This has obviously happened over the last 30 or 40 years in our U.K. schools.

The Mr. Edwards of this world may not be paragons of virtue and may on occasions embarrass or frighten some kids but, surely, that is better than being mugged, robbed, knifed or beaten up in school or on the way home?

I think it's also significant how vividly such characters are remembered. I went to a tough grammar school and I meet 3 friends once a year if possible, to re-live our schooldays of around 50 years ago, and it's amazing how fondly and well we remember 'our' ogres and how with hindsight they were actually just human, interesting, even fascinating and, above all, had an enormous influence on our lives in many ways.

08-03-2008, 07:05 PM, darra

As other posts have mentioned, he was born in Aberdare, Glamorgan. I heard somewhere that he had been at school with Jimmy Young, who became a well-known singer and later a popular DJ. It seems possible. Young was born in 1921, Edwards in 1918; Young was born in Gloucestershire, just across the River Severn from Wales.

A fascinating insight to a man who stuck fear into many pupils, me included. As I've said on here before, in this thread I feel sorry for Mr Edwards. Yes he was a tyrannt yes he did chastise children for no reason as he did with me but for someone to have a life where no one has apparently anything good to say about you and you are only remembered for the wrong things is sad.

11-06-2008, 05:05 PM, Charlie Chuck

I remember an incident where Edwards punched a lad in my year after morning assembly making his nose bleed just for not wearing the right tie, the lad's father later that morning drove his lorry and skided it to a halt on the garden outside the lower school. In the meantime Edwards locked himself inside his upper school head room, took a few teachers including Ridgeway to prevent the lad's father from getting at him.

Ridgeway was another, he seemed to have some kind of kink out of using the cane on somebody's backside in front of the class, but Edwards locking himself in his room just shows how much of a coward he was, kept a lower profile after that but when we left it seems he was soon back in his old ways.

11-06-2008, 07:11 PM, PaulTansley

I will add to this thread as I started it as Edwards was a strict authortarian he remains an interesting man.

What hasn't been said on here is any mention of his death.

Turner and Mason (miss) are no longer around and shared the neighbouring offices BUT you could hear a pin drop in the dinner queue when Edwards ventured out.

12-06-2008, 15:11, jgharston

I must again admit amazement at the breadth of detail people know about my grandfather! The memories that come flooding back!

Originally Posted by PaulTansley

What hasn't been said on here is any mention of his death About a year ago I spent a day going through UK death records from the 1980s and 1990s, and could find no mention of him. Either I couldn't find him, or he died overseas (he owned a flat in Spain at one point), or he is still alive.

12-06-2008, 16:02, darra

If he was alive he would be in his 90s

12-06-2008, 23:35, jgharston

Originally Posted by darra

If he was alive he would be in his 90s My other grandfather died a year ago aged 86 and my great-uncle is still alive aged 92, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was still alive.

Originally Posted by timo

I wonder [I type this with trembling fingers] if you have access to any photographs of this legendary Headmaster? You're in for a treat: http://pics.mdfs.net/1940 and http://pics.mdfs.net/1964

A bit more information I've dug up out of my archives:

Derlwyn Howard: Entered University College London gaining a 2nd class honours degree BSc Maths. He then went to take his teaching diploma. He also served in the RAF in India during World War 2. He went to teach in Belfast & Edinburgh. He married Harriet (June) Harker in Whitby (*note*). Finally took up a post as Headteacher of a large comprehensive in Sheffield. Whilst studying at London University he lived with Hazel & Jack in Enfield.

Grandma & Grandad (June & Howard to you lot!) actually married in Henley, not Whitby, which is explained by Howard living with his sister & brother-in-law in Enfield at the time while at University.

03-07-2008, 02:58, geoffusa

I have a nice memory of Mr Edwards which I will always remember. He took charge of the football team once for an away game at Gleadless I think. We won 5-0 and I scored a few. This was obviously a feather in his cap and he let me off with all sorts after that which also included letting me have time off to go and play football. What a good guy !!

23-12-2008 at 15:45, dfs346

I have been impressed by the accounts in this forum of the black-caped Welshman who, from the 1960s to the 1980s, struck terror into the hearts of a generation of schoolchildren in Sheffield.

As Albert Camus wrote in the introduction to his novel "The Plague" (by which no analogy is intended to the life of Derlwyn Edwards), a narrator has three kinds of data: first, his own observations and experience; second, the accounts of other observers; and third, any documents which may come into his hands. In the first category, I knew Derlwyn Edwards slightly over a period of about a decade and a half. (Was there anyone who knew him more than slightly?) In the second, members of this forum have attested eloquently to their experiences of Mr Edwards as headmaster of Hinde House School. In the third category, we have the wonders of the Internet.

For most of the factual information on Derlwyn's life, I have to rely on the excellent research of Jonathan Harston, his grandson, who has assembled a family tree and identified the important dates and events.

As Jonathan has noted, Derlwyn Howard Edwards was born on December 17th, 1916, in the third year of the First World War, in Aberdare, a coal-mining town in Glamorgan county, south Wales. He was the youngest child of Gomer Edwards and Lucie Limb. Of the parents, I know only that Gomer was born in 1872 and Lucie in 1877. Whereas Gomer was a pure Welshman, I think that Lucie was English. During the war, Gomer would have been in his forties, too old to serve in the armed forces, and the boys were too young. So none of the Edwards family would have been subject to conscription. One imagines that the war largely passed them by.

Derlwyn had two brothers and two sisters. When Derlwyn was born, Bertha was 14, Alan 12, Hazel 11 and Ewert six years old. Ewert died the following year, whether through illness or accident I do not know. Derlwyn must have grown up without siblings close to his age.

He attended the Aberdare Boys' County School, a state secondary school which later became the Aberdare Boys' Grammar School, which still exists, and which seems to be a school of some quality, housed in fine old stone buildings. His time there was from, I suppose, age 11, in other words about 1928, to 1935. I guess that it was during this time that he earned his cap in the Welsh schoolboy rugby team.

In 1934, during Derlwyn's second last year at the County School, his father died. Gomer Edwards was 62 years old.

The "Aberdare Leader", reporting on the County School's certificate ceremony for the class of 1935, mentioned that Derlwyn Howard Edwards had been awarded a County Free Scholarship and was now (this was May 1936) attending college in London. We may suppose that Derlwyn had started his undergraduate studies around September 1935.

At University College London, he earned a B.Sc. in mathematics with second class honours. If the undergraduate degree took three years then as it does now, he would have graduated in the summer of 1938.

During his university studies he apparently lived with his sister Hazel and his brother-in-law Jack in Enfield, near London. Two of Jonathan's photos show him standing on a path in Hazel and Jack's garden, framed by a trellis gate, looking rather shy in one photo and serious in the other. He wears a dark suit and an academic gown, in a preview of his terrifying Hinde House days. In one of the pictures he wears a mortar-board, making him look vaguely Chinese.

At university he met his future wife Harriet Marsay Harker, from Whitby in north Yorkshire. In contrast to Derlwyn, she was an only child, having lost her father in the First World War. In June 1918 Sergeant Robert Isaac Harker, posted to France, received news of Harriet's birth. The following month he was killed at Mont-Bernanchon. He had never seen his daughter. In November 1918, the combatants signed a cease-fire and the war was over. Harriet grew up in the care of her mother (also named Harriet Marsay Harker), and her aunts Lily and Annie. She was an intelligent and capable girl. As Jonathan notes, she was the first girl from Whitby to win a university scholarship. She was one and a half years younger than Derlwyn, good-humoured, talented in languages and with an artist's eye.

I presume that Derlwyn joined the Royal Air Force in 1939 or 1940. He would have been in his early 20s. One of Jonathan Harston's photographs of him, dated only "1940s", shows him in an air force shirt, open-necked, with three chevrons on the right sleeve, signifying the rank of Sergeant. He was an almost handsome young man, with a strong chin, a lopsided half-smile, thick hair slicked back, no sign of the tyrant that, it is claimed, he was to become. On the reverse he wrote (to whom, I don't know), "I had this taken when I applied for a commission. Want to send it to you before but forgot all about it. PS I don't look any different as an officer & the only difference in the uniform is that there's a blue stud on both sholder-straps instead of three white stripes on one sleeve. Howard in RAF."

He had by this time dropped the "Derlwyn", although one wonders what was wrong with this good Welsh name, which means "oak grove", a name well suited to this strapping strong-jawed fellow. At least he had a claim on "Howard", which was his middle name. Harriet had a similar discomfort with her given name, preferring to be known as June, a name whose origins I cannot discern.

Derlwyn's application for a commission in the RAF was successful and he reached the rank of Flight Lieutenant. I am not sure whether Flight Lieutenants necessarily do any flying, but I think that he received flying instruction. If so, it probably was in the De Havilland Tiger Moth, the standard air force trainer, beloved of all pilots of that era. I don't know whether he eventually gained a pilot's license. To my knowledge he never flew airplanes after leaving the RAF. He once mentioned that he had done parachute training (his wife, who was listening, was quick to riposte, "They had to push him out of the plane".)

He was clearly a sportsman. I heard that he had achieved distinction in the RAF (by some accounts, he was the air force champion) in tennis and boxing.

I know nothing more about his career in the RAF, except for Jonathan's reports that he served in India and maybe also in the Far East. During the war the RAF had bomber, fighter and reconnaissance activities throughout south and southeast Asia – No.5 Squadron defending Calcutta, No.9 in Ceylon and the south, No.20 doing reconnaissance and ground attack against the Japanese, and so on - but where Derlwyn served, and what he did, I have no idea. He never spoke of his wartime experiences. A more sociable ex-serviceman might have come back from India with colloquialisms like "khaki", "karzi" and "tiffin" but Derlwyn's conversations, such as they were, had no peppering of Hindi slang. In fact there was nothing in his subsequent life to suggest that had he had ever set foot in this vast outpost of the Empire.

I heard somewhere that Derlwyn had been at school (or maybe in the armed forces) with Jimmy Young, who was a well-known singer in the 1950s and later a popular disk jockey and radio presenter. Jimmy went to East Dean Grammar School, which I believe is in Gloucestershire, but he was in the Royal Air Force from 1942 to 1949. Jimmy eventually reached the rank of Sergeant, and during the war might have been no more than Aircraftman, while Derlwyn was by then a Flight Lieutenant and therefore outranked him considerably. Did Aircraftman Young report to Flight Lieutenant Edwards and was the Aircraftman suitably terrified? I believe that Sir Jimmy (as he became) is still alive, aged 85 or 87 - some doubt exists because he is said to have inflated his age to join the RAF. Does anyone have his telephone number or e-mail address? We can put those questions to him.

Derlwyn probably left the air force in 1945 when the war ended. He returned to England where he completed the teacher's training course which was available for ex-servicemen. Harriet must have been waiting for him all this time, more than six years (although she was to let on, much later, that she had "lots of boyfriends", and why not, she was an attractive girl, although one of the children then posed the obvious question, "why him?"). Anyway, they married on February 12th, 1946 in Henley. The mathematics of human gestation indicate that she was expecting, since their first child, Susan Elizabeth, was born on September 1st of that year. Derlwyn was then 29 years old.

His first two children were born in Whitby, in September 1946 and May 1948. I don't think Derlwyn ever lived in Whitby, so maybe his wife wanted to be at her mother's house for the births.

Sometime in the late 1940s he must have taken the teaching post in Belfast to which other posts refer.

In 1950 Derlwyn moved to Scotland to join Loretto, an upper-crust boys' boarding school. This was a small fishing town in Midlothian, a few miles east of Edinburgh on the Firth of Forth. For this account of his career at Loretto I am indebted to one of his former pupils:

"I was a pupil at Loretto Senior School from 1950 to 1955 and remember [Mr Edwards] very clearly, though he never taught me in the classroom. I remember him as a large upright figure with a smart gait and strong (to us anyway) Welsh accent who was an effective coach of the rugger forwards of the 1st XV in the two seasons I played in that team. I suspect he was a pretty tough player himself and he taught us to be aggressive but fair players. I also remember a particular incident when he took the backs (who were typically rather dismissive of forwards as ignorant lumps I think) and he revealed that he himself had played centre-threequarter for one of the famous Welsh clubs - it might have been Llanethlie or some such - which made them sit up (metaphorically anyway)! I am sure that at Loretto he was known to his colleagues as Howard, presumably the Welsh name being deemed too difficult for us up here."

The position that a man plays in a team game must throw light on his personality. Rugby players would know the significance of the position of centre threequarters. My knowledge of the game of rugby union is limited, but I understand that a centre threequarters is a player who, if attacking, receives the ball from the scrum, and either runs with it or passes it to the other backs, in the process fending off opponents. If defending, he has to be a strong tackler. So this position is played by a tough, physical, aggressive man.

As in those days rugby clubs were amateur, a schoolmaster might well have played for a major club in his spare time.

His former pupil goes on to quote the Loretto magazine for 1957 as follows:

"In April, Mr D. H. Edwards left to take up an appointment as Head of the Maths Department at Stoke on Trent School. He was most successful at coaching - firstly boys for the Additional Maths papers in the G.C.E. (many Masters envious of the high percentages he always managed to attain, and sometimes wondered if those who were, so to speak, in the percentage trade, got special treatment for their exponents), and secondly, at coaching forwards in the XV; again and again he turned an undistinguished pack into a really good one - to the delight of our supporters and the surprise and confusion of our foes."

During his Loretto period, from 1950 to 1957, Derlwyn and his family lived in a small terraced house at 11 Eskside East in Musselburgh. As the name implies, the street fronted on the River Esk. The river joins the Firth maybe half a mile to the north. I recall that there was a iron girder bridge, painted green, that crossed the Esk near his house, leading to a wasteland of gorse bushes and abandoned hangars. Derlwyn was not yet earning enough to buy a television set; on Saturday afternoons his children went to Luca's ice cream shop on the High Street, where they could buy a threepenny ice and watch "The Lone Ranger" in black-and-white on the BBC. (Luca's still exists.)

He evidently had retained his interest in aviation, since in Musselburgh he was active in the local Air Training Corps, 297 Squadron. He may even have been commander of the squadron; in fact, I have a vague recollection of references to him as "squadron leader", although that is one rank above Flight Lieutenant. The ATC was then a branch of the RAF that provided classes for schoolboys who might later want to enlist. The ATC hut was on Goose Green Crescent, on the eastern bank of the Esk, a few minutes' walk from Derlwyn's house. It was festooned with aircraft recognition drawings; I recollect three-view silhouettes of early post-war jet airplanes like the Gloster Meteor and the Hawker Hunter. The Musselburgh squadron is still in operation; its motto is "Honesty".

Derlwyn was apparently still interested in mathematics, outside the narrow perspective of teaching the subject to possibly truculent and unruly schoolkids. His name is mentioned in a JSTOR citation of an article in the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, published in 1957 and titled "The replacement cost of fixed assets in British manufacturing industry in 1955". Maybe he was a co-author of this article.

In 1953 when Derlwyn was 34, his mother Lucie died at the age of 76.

In the spring of 1957 he moved to Biddulph, a small town in northern Staffordshire near the Cheshire border. He and his family lived at the end of Charles Street, in an imposing detached house, in a style that I think is called Tudor, with black beams on white walls, at that time surrounded by open fields, and named "Tall Oaks" after the eponymous grand trees which lined the drive. During that period he was teaching in Stoke-on-Trent. The notorious Sheffield chapter was to come.

23-12-2008, 16:05, dfs346

In my first post, in my endeavour to cast light on the enigmatic Derlwyn Edwards, I exceeded the number of permissible characters, and had to divide the post in two. Here is the second part.

By my calculations his move to Sheffield was around September 1961, when he was 44. His new job was as headmaster of Owler Lane Intermediate School. Two years later Owler Lane was absorbed into Hinde House Secondary School, the merged school becoming the first comprehensive school in Sheffield. He was appointed headmaster of Hinde House, an important career advance for him. The term "comprehensive" implied a merger of the former two-track state system of "grammar" (for academically minded kids) and "secondary" (for the rest).

Hinde House was in Shire Green in northeast Sheffield. The school, though set in a rustic area surrounded by fields and woods, was an unlovely collection of boxy industrial buildings. Its students were mainly from poor and deprived communities. It was adjacent to the Shire Green Working Men's Club where, many years later, the producers of the "The Full Monty" filmed their climactic male strip show.

None of Derlwyn's children attended this school. His eldest son went to King Edward VII School and the other children, I suppose, to local primary, grammar or secondary schools. His house was on Fulwood Road, in a quiet and prosperous residential district of Sheffield.

Here we enter the period that seems to mark a change in his professional personality, of which I had known nothing until I read this forum. By all accounts (and the authors are evidently former pupils of Hinde House who suffered or survived his teaching), he was, or became, a bully, a sadist, prone to insult and humiliate his students or physically to attack them, at the same time a bumbling buffoon, ill at ease with other adults and teachers.

What is there in his previous life to account for this? Was there a wartime experience that scarred him? If so, I am not aware of it. Some dark family secret? His father died when he was 18, and his mother when he was 35, but his relations with his surviving brothers and sisters seemed to be cordial. Was he simply out of his depth as headmaster of a large school, could not deal with the responsibility and could not admit to his limitations? Was he unable to handle rough and unruly mobs of kids from poor homes, except with an iron fist?

Let's look at other aspects of his life.

After his RAF service, he rarely ventured overseas (although eventually he bought a flat in Spain). Apart from Welsh, he was not known to speak any foreign language (although his wife spoke French). In the summer holidays, he usually drove with his family either to his mother-in-law's house in Whitby, or, with a modest caravan in tow, to a beachfront campsite to the north of Skegness on the east coast of Lincolnshire. The children played "I Spy" on these trips; one of their favourite acronyms was "FSPTW" which stood for "First Sign Post To Whitby", a road sign on the Yorkshire moors that they awaited breathlessly on the way to their grandmother's.

As a young man, he rode a motorcycle with a sidecar, and later drove three-wheeler "bubble cars" (as they were then known), first a Messerschmidt and then a Heinkel. As his career advanced he bought a series of progressively larger cars, none of which he kept very long. They included two old Rolls-Royces (I think 1929 and 1937 models). These stately black machines were his only ostentation. I see that his Hinde House pupils remember one of them.

Now that I think of his cars, I believe that he never bought a new one. Even the Rolls was well over 20 years old in its Hinde House days. He was in general a frugal man. He did not buy expensive clothes or gadgets. I think that he disliked luxury, waste, branding and all the paraphernalia of the consumerist society.

As to his physical appearance (for example, his reputed resemblance to the popular image of Dracula): his former pupils seem to remember him as supernaturally tall, but aren't all adults tall in the recollections of childhood? I am fairly sure that his height was about 5'11". For sure, he had a strong angular face, but I would not have described him as a lookalike to Bela Lugosi or Christopher Lee. He had thick dark hair and used Brylcreme (is that the right spelling?). There was a period when he had one false tooth, which he could protrude to scare or entertain his children (maybe this is the origin of the Dracula reference). In middle age he had to have all his teeth extracted, a process which he bore stoically. His wife told me how he lay in bed at night, quietly enduring the pain. Thereafter he wore dentures; as I recall, they were of human rather than vampire morphology.

Other than that, he was physically fit. He never had any major physical illness. He was somewhat stocky in his mid-40s. I recall seeing his blazer, striped beige and dark blue, dating I suppose from his University College days, and being surprised that he could ever have been that thin. But he was evidently slim when he was in his 20s (as one sees from Jonathan Harston's photos).

He did not smoke. His wife did, but he apparently did not object. He drank bottled beer, rarely wines or spirits. His preferences in food tended toward traditional English dishes like roast beef, potatoes and Yorkshire pudding, and desserts like semolina, baked rice pudding and apple crumble and custard.

He was certainly a Welshman, but if he had a Welsh accent it was quite subdued. I don't recall his using Welsh in conversation apart from the occasional phrase like "croeso y cymru" ("welcome to Wales") or "cymru am byth" ("Wales forever").

I wonder whether a person's taste in music can be an accurate guide to his or her personality. Derlwyn liked Welsh songs. He had a good singing voice, I would guess baritone. I once entered his living room to find him intoning a Welsh song into a tape recorder. The song was "Sospan Vach" ("The Little Saucepan"), a nonsensical rugby ditty. Perhaps this recording still exists. Apart from that, I am hard pressed to recall hearing any music in Derlwyn's house. There was of course the radio (I think that the BBC had a monopoly in those days, but there was a pirate music station called Radio Luxembourg to which the Edwards family tuned in). There was, I think, an upright acoustic piano, which Harriet could play, though she rarely did. The family had also a wind-up gramophone with a small collection of 12-inch vinyl records.

This brings to my mind a song that I will always associate with Derlwyn Edwards. I think that he had a copy on a scratchy old LP. The song is "The Holy City". It was written in 1892 by composer Stephen Adams (alias Michael Maybrick) and lyricist Frederick E Weatherly. I found a version on YouTube, posted only eight days ago as I write these words, as if by a strange coincidence someone had anticipated my need to track down this song. The performance so exactly matches my memory that I am sure it is the same one that Derlwyn owned. The singer is the American tenor Richard Crooks.

The opening verse, which had more or less remained in my memory and which I was able to confirm from the Internet, is:

Last night I lay a-sleeping
There came a dream so fair,
I stood in old Jerusalem
Beside the temple there.
I heard the children singing,
And ever as they sang
Methought the voice of angels
From heaven in answer rang.

The last lines and the refrain are as follows:

It was the new Jerusalem
That would not pass away.
Jerusalem! Jerusalem!
Sing for the night is o'er!
Hosanna in the highest!
Hosanna forevermore!

In some way this song seems to me to encapsulate the moody, frugal but sometimes passionate character of Derlwyn Edwards.

Did Derlwyn have a warmer side or a sense of humour? I can't recall his telling a joke, though I see from other posts that he was capable of ponderous aphorisms. He was known to play practical jokes. One such was to creep up behind his wife in the kitchen and "knee" her in the back of her legs, which made her laugh. On motoring trips, he was prone to sing humorous and repetitive ditties like "The Bear Went Over The Mountain", which goes like this:

The bear went over the mountain
The bear went over the mountain
The bear went over the mountain
To see what he could see
But the other side of the mountain
The other side of the mountain
The other side of the mountain
Was all that he could see ...
So he went back over the mountain ...

Another of his favourite motoring songs was "Riding Down From Bangor", an American college song about an opportunistic student who has an amorous adventure in a train (the Bangor in question is in Maine, not Wales). This song could be found in British school songbooks in the 1950s.

Apart from singing, Derlwyn seemed to have no hobbies or recreational activities. He had no treasured personal possessions - books or collectibles, for example - though I recall seeing, under the stairs in Biddulph, an old and rusty model train set. He rarely went to pubs, bars, restaurants or cinemas. He seemed very focussed on his teaching and was prone to take work home. He read the Manchester Guardian, a left-of-centre newspaper (which later became The Guardian), but rarely or never expressed opinions on politics, sex, religion or current affairs, or indeed on his own life or any personal matter.

I am not aware that he had any close friends. No air force buddies ever showed up at his door. There were no reunions with old squaddies with names like Smudger. No school pals descended from Aberdare or London. His relations with teaching colleagues started and ended, I think, at the school gate.

For relaxation, he watched television. Among the actors of his generation, I think he admired Kenneth More, who typically played stiff-lipped English heroes such as Douglas Bader. Do I imagine that he bore a passing resemblance to Kenneth More? He liked most of the British comedy shows of the era - Benny Hill, Charlie Drake, Tony Hancock. I recall his comment on the 1960 series "The Strange World of Gurney Slade": he described it contemptuously as "punk" (an innovative or prescient use of this word). His habitual TV fare included "The Army Game" and "Whack-O" (starring Professor Jimmy Edwards - no relation). Could it be that he modelled himself on the Headmaster of Chiselbury School?

Certainly his relationship with his children could be described as authoritarian. They did not attend the schools where he taught, so they did not experience his terrifying "work" personality, of which his former pupils have spoken with awe and horror. He was not prone to express affection for his children, either verbally or physically. He occasionally or maybe regularly administered corporal punishment to them, both the boys and the girls. That is to say, he beat them on their bottoms. Is this an echo of his reported violence to students?

He also had a system of disciplining the children, which he called "penance": if a child did something wrong, he or she had to do a task such as cleaning the house. He seemed quite pleased with this system; it did not take much of a fault on the child's part for Derlwyn to sing out "Penance!" in a cheerful tone of victory. Penance is a concept that originates from the Catholic and Orthodox churches. I don't think though that Derlwyn was a Catholic or indeed a regular churchgoer of any denomination.

He must have hoped for his sons to become sportsmen like himself. I recall that he gave one of them a set of boxing gloves as a birthday present. The boy, a perfectly gentle little soul, was (privately) horrified. I don't think he ever wore the gloves, but possibly he never dared to throw them away.

Derlwyn did not seem to influence his children in their studies or careers, but he probably envisaged university studies for most of them. His eldest daughter obtained a place at London University but dropped out in the first year, returning home with a female companion, thin and dreadfully afflicted with acne, whom Mrs. Edwards described as "neurotic". This would have been around 1963. The first signs of dysfunction in the Edwards family?

His first son was evidently aching for an opportunity to escape. Something happened to the boy in the early 1960s. There are two photographs of him, on the website of the Old Edwardians, that caught my attention. As a new boy, in September 1961, he has a mischievous sunny smile. In a class photo dated 1962/63, he stands at the end of the back row, wearing horn-rimmed glasses and staring disconsolately somewhere off-camera. In January 1965, having finished his high school studies, and with a scholarship to Cambridge University awaiting in September of that year, the boy leaped at the offer of an eight-month apprenticeship with the Bristol Aeroplane Company, that allowed him to live away from home for the first time. He was just 16. His mother was reluctant to let him go; the boy insisted, and Derlwyn expressed no opinion.

I'm not sure that the reported "blazing row" between Derlwyn and his son really happened - both parties were too reserved for that - but there must have been a gradual dissolution of their relations. I believe there was at one point an awkward confrontation that precipitated the son's decision to leave. During the breaks in his studies at Cambridge, the boy came back to Sheffield with increasing reluctance. Towards the end of 1967, in his third year, he found a way to avoid returning. Maybe in Cambridge he had made friends with whom he could stay; in any case he did not come home for Christmas nor for the following Easter. In effect he was severing the ties with his father, who however did not react at all. In May of 1968, the spring of the summer of love, the young man completed his final examinations and, without a word of farewell, left the country. He sent a postcard from Newfoundland, another from New York and maybe one or two from other places. Then the postcards stopped coming.

Derlwyn's wife told me much later that he had been secretly proud of his son's acceptance at Cambridge, though he never said so to anyone else (least of all to the boy, who maybe needed to hear the words). Did the boy's departure engender or unlock Derlwyn's sociopathic personality? Did he take out his anger on his luckless charges? Or was it there before? His former pupils will have to speak for this, at least for the timeline – do their accounts of the Welsh dictator date to the time before 1968?

Then there is his divorce, which I understand occurred around 1976. Derlwyn and Harriet were not an overtly affectionate couple, but they seemed used to each other and they had seven children. I never heard of major fights or even heated arguments between them. When I learned of their divorce, many years after the fact, I was surprised. What was involved? Another woman? Another man? I never learned.

I did hear that Derlwyn remarried, his second wife died, and he married for a third time.

Remarkably, if I have my facts in order, all of his children lost touch with him. Jonathan Harston remembers that when Harriet died in 1993 the children reported, possibly incorrectly, that she was a widow.

At some point Derlwyn acquired a flat in Spain. To me this seems out of character: he would have been at home neither with the beer-swilling English expatriates nor, given his limited languages, with the Spanish. But at the last sighting he was living with his second or possibly third wife in Thorpe Hesley, which is a suburb of the adjacent town of Rotherham but is only a few miles from the school where he terrorised thousands of children.

If he is alive, he has just turned 92.

24-12-2008, 01:55, geoffusa

Doesn't anyone remember his saying in Maths, after he completed the theory part "QED". Quite enough done he used to say with a smirk. For all he could be intimidating, I liked the guy. Maybe his style would be successful in today's schools. You knew where you stood and you didn't go over the line.

24-12-2008, 10:49, darra

Thanks for that, a fascinating read. I'm sat here trying to remember what he looked like and can't for the life of me. I think that's because I tried not to make eye contact with him it was safer that way.Anyway as I said earlier in the thread

25-12-2008, 10:04, beady

This info is very interesting giving some background to this bloke. I remember him well - went to the school just after he arrived (1964-7). I vividly recall his 'odd' temprement - a seemingly reasonable guy on occassions and quite frightening at other times.

My wife who also went at the same time but left in '66 recalls him as quite an overbearing yet sad character. She and her mates were quite frightened by him! She remembers as though it was yesterday how he one day came bursting into a lesson, asked a question of the class which no-one could or dared to answer - he went barmy and had a right go at my wife sitting on the front row suggesting she was a spoiled brat - an only child etc - quite a tarade! Her knees were actually knocking! She was actually 1 of 5 kids!

On reflection both of us agree that out of all the teachers we had contact with - he was the most odd and unprofessional. Whoever set him on must have been totally hoodwinked. I think he was the proverbial round peg in the square hole - on reflection totally out of his depth.

The timetable of attendance for both of us tallies with the more difficult period in his private life? I often saw him driving into school in his Rolls, had heard he had a large family and being a youngster could imagine him with the kids in the back a bit like the Darling Buds of May character in his big yellow motor. Anyway I'm certain he had his good points - it was a difficult school to manage and I must admit you always knew where you stood with the rules and discipline etc.

Having said that though not all the kids were 'rough and ready' - there were a majority of good youngsters who didn't need managing with an iron fist. Wouldn't like to think folks would remember me in my professional or private capacity as some of the people above remember him? If he's still around and by chance reads this - I hope he reflects on how he ran the school and how he could and should have?

26-12-2008, 15:42, ALZYMER

After reading through this thread I feel that I was lucky to get in his crosshairs only once. He'd just arrived at Owler Lane and decided that I was not in uniform, in his view anyway. I was told to recite the colours of the school uniform, cap, blazer, shirt etc. I don't know how long I was stood there before he was satisfied and dismissed me. I don't really remember much of him at Hinde House, as my main nemesis was Mr Pashley. I still have his cane marks across my palm along with the slipper marks on my rear end from Mr Guest at Owler Lane.