Date : Mon, 19 May 2014 01:10:30 +1000
From : mark@... (Mark Ashley)
Subject: JSBeeb
Hmm, trying the js console command it gives 'ad' now too. FF19 gave the
'bd' earlier, FF29 gives 'ad' now. The JS console is changed in the new FF,
I wonder if that is relevant.
Win XP SP3. FF29.
On Mon, May 19, 2014@... AM, Matt Godbolt <matt@...> wrote:
> I get "ad" in Firefox 28 (on Linux) - are you certain you see bd? I
> can easily add an additional mapping for ad too if it's just that!
>
> -matt
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014@... AM, Matt Godbolt <matt@...> wrote:
> > I can confirm I get the same problem in FF! Investigating...thanks!
> >
> > On Sun, May 18, 2014@... AM, Mark Ashley <mark@...> wrote:
> >> FWIW I get the 'bd' keycode too, but the key output doesn't appear inside
> >> jsbeeb in my Firefox 19 or Firefox 29 browsers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014@... AM, Matt Godbolt <matt@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey all,
> >>>
> >>> Coming in late to this discuss via the flyby CC, so apologies if I'm
> >>> not quite answering the questions posed!
> >>>
> >>> Firstly, the keyboard handling in Javascript is a total mess! There's
> >>> no way to detect the keyboard layout of the computer and the codes
> >>> received are not quite physical keys but are something in-between.
> >>> For most keys it's a straight ASCII value, but then some keys have
> >>> random weird numbers (like the key 0xbd). As I'm on a US laptop
> >>> keyboard, the keys are tailored for that. I'm working on some
> >>> primitive locale-detection and then some different maps for UK and US
> >>> keyboards.
> >>>
> >>> To the original point anyway, the BBC -/= key ought to be the _/-
> >>> laptop key (directly next to the zero key). If that's not working for
> >>> you, it seems like I need even more complex mappings :) (it seems my
> >>> comment's wrong too, will fix that).
> >>>
> >>> As Mark says, it's pretty easy to debug these things. If you want to
> >>> run a local development version of jsbeeb, download and unpack it,
> >>> then run a local webserver. I use Python's built-in webserver, simply
> >>> typing "python -mSimpleHTTPServer" from the jsbeeb directory and then
> >>> visiting localhost:8000.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively if you just want the keycodes, bring up a new web
> >>> browser, hit ctrl-shift J to get the javascript console up and type:
> >>>
> >>> window.onkeydown = function(e){ console.log(e.keyCode.toString(16)); };
> >>>
> >>> Then click back into the main window and start pressing keys. That'll
> >>> give you what I see. For reference I see "bd" for the underscore key
> >>> on my US keyboard.
> >>>
> >>> At the moment I'm working on adding Dropbox and Google Drive support
> >>> so you can save your disc images in the cloud, but I also have a
> >>> half-written "help" page about the keyboard mappings. Sounds like I
> >>> need to rethink that if other keyboards have different values (some
> >>> kind of reconfigurable setup?)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Matt :)
> >>>
> >>> - matt
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 18, 2014@... AM, Mark Ashley <mark@...> wrote:
> >>> > Since the key mapping appears to be physical, it should be the same on
> >>> > all
> >>> > laptop/usb keyboards. All the Beeb emulators would be using the same
> >>> > keycodes.
> >>> >
> >>> > The image here:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> http://wallmobi.net/uploads/pictures/technology/36678-bbc-micro-model-b.jpg
> >>> > has the '-' and the '=' key being the same key. Just next to the 'zero'.
> >>> >
> >>> > The mapping from the BeebEm program in userkybd.cpp (full table is at
> >>> > the
> >>> > bottom) has that -/= key being '1,7', in jsbeeb the notation is the
> >>> > reverse
> >>> > of that so we're looking for 7,1 in the
> >>> > https://github.com/mattgodbolt/jsbeeb/blob/master/via.js file:
> >>> >
> >>> > Line 391: map('\xbd', 7, 1); // '_' / '=' mapped to underscore
> >>> >
> >>> > so that underscore mapping appears to be wrong? It should be minus and
> >>> > equals. It's a moot point anyway as it's (apparently) not triggering an
> >>> > event and inserting a key, nothing happens on screen when you press it!
> >>> >
> >>> > To debug it you'd need to download the git code and run it on a port per
> >>> > the
> >>> > instructions. Then do mapping debug prints to show what row/col/assumed
> >>> > key
> >>> > was pressed. I'm tired and drunk right now so better to CC Matt himself
> >>> > on
> >>> > this and ask what's happening :) All yours, Matt.
> >>> >
> >>> > Whilst on the topic, the mapping for the \ and | key is always giving a
> >>> > @,
> >>> > for unshifted and shifted.
> >>> >
> >>> > ta,
> >>> > Mark.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Beebem keymapping table:
> >>> >
> >>> > Download at: http://beebem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html
> >>> > File beebem-0.0.13.tar.gz --> userkybd.cpp
> >>> >
> >>> > // Row,Col Default values set to transTable1
> >>> > //--int UserKeymap[256][2]={
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 0
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 4
> >>> > //-- 5,9, 6,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 8 [BS][TAB]..
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 4,9, 0,0, 0,0, // 12 .RET..
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,1, 0,0, -2,-2, // 16 .CTRL.BREAK
> >>> > //-- 4,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 20 CAPS...
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 7,0, // 24 ...ESC
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 28
> >>> > //-- 6,2, 0,0, 0,0, 6,9, // 32 SPACE..[End]
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 1,9, 3,9, 7,9, // 36 .[Left][Up][Right]
> >>> > //-- 2,9, 0,0, 0,0, -3,-3, // 40 [Down]...
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 5,9, 0,0, // 44 ..[DEL].
> >>> > //-- 2,7, 3,0, 3,1, 1,1, // 48 0123
> >>> > //-- 1,2, 1,3, 3,4, 2,4, // 52 4567
> >>> > //-- 1,5, 2,6, 0,0, 0,0, // 56 89
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 60
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 4,1, 6,4, 5,2, // 64.. ABC
> >>> > //-- 3,2, 2,2, 4,3, 5,3, // 68 DEFG
> >>> > //-- 5,4, 2,5, 4,5, 4,6, // 72 HIJK
> >>> > //-- 5,6, 6,5, 5,5, 3,6, // 76 LMNO
> >>> > //-- 3,7, 1,0, 3,3, 5,1, // 80 PQRS
> >>> > //-- 2,3, 3,5, 6,3, 2,1, // 84 TUVW
> >>> > //-- 4,2, 4,4, 6,1, 0,0, // 88 XYZ
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 6,2, 0,0, 0,0, // 92 . SPACE ..
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 96
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 100
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, -4,0, // 104 Keypad+
> >>> > //-- 0,0, -4,1, 0,0, 0,0, // 108 Keypad-
> >>> > //-- 7,1, 7,2, 7,3, 1,4, // 112 F1 F2 F3 F4
> >>> > //-- 7,4, 7,5, 1,6, 7,6, // 116 F5 F6 F7 F8
> >>> > //-- 7,7, 2,0, 2,0, -2,-2, // 120 F9 F10 F11 F12
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 124
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 128
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 132
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 136
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 140
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 144
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 148
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 152
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 156
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 160
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 164
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 168
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 172
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 176
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 180
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 5,7, 1,8, // 184 ..;
> >>> > //-- 6,6, 1,7, 6,7, 6,8, // 188 ,-./
> >>> > //-- 4,8, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 192 @ ...
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 196
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 200
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 204
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 208
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 212
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 3,8, // 216 ...[
> >>> > //-- 7,8, 5,8, 2,8, 4,7, // 220 \]#`
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 224
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 228
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, // 232
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
> >>> > //-- 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0
> >>> > //--};
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, May 18, 2014@... PM, Alan Williams <ajw@...>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Has anybody found the minus key on a US ascii keyboard?
> >>> >> Alan
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> From: bbc-micro-bounces+ajw=bigblue.net.au@...
> >>> >> [mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+ajw=bigblue.net.au@...] On
> >>> >> Behalf
> >>> >> Of John Kortink
> >>> >> Sent: Friday, 16 May 2014 6:34 AM
> >>> >> To: bbc-micro@...
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] JSBeeb
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Thu, 15 May 2014 20:36:01 +0100, Jason Flynn G7OCD
> >>> >> <flynnjs@...>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >On 15/05/2014 14:31, John Kortink wrote:
> >>> >> >> I stumbled on this a while back. It's quite amazing how you can do
> >>> >> >> this nowadays in a mere script language, and still get the required
> >>> >> >> speed.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >What amazes me more is:
> >>> >> >http://s-macke.github.io/jor1k/
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yikes.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As a machine, it's a little short on memory and clock speed though. ;-)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> John Kortink
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt
>
>
>
> --
> Matt