Date   : Sun, 02 Sep 1984100:44:00-MDT
From   : jpm@Bnl.ARPA
Subject: Latest news on Mog-Ur BBS case

The following two messages are related to the current Mog-Ur BBS situation.
There was another messsage along with these asking for donations for a defense
fund, but I am not forwarding it because it might upset the Arpanet people.


Msg # 10733 on 08/31/84 at 09:35:50
From: SYSOP  (1)
To: ALL
Subject: MOG-UR/PACTEL UPDATE (AND I THOUGHT WE WERE THROUGH WITH THIS)! 

       Owing to a difficult work schedule this week and the fact 
that I broke both my ankles, which are now in casts, it 
has been hard for me to quickly determine the facts and post 
same. In addition, my attorney, Chuck Lindner, is trying 
a death penalty case and therefore difficult to reach.
       The info that I have is as follows:
The L.A. City Attorney went back on his word not to prosecute 
and breeched the agreement that he had with my attorney. 
The City Attorney contends that they held a meeting for 
which PacTel flew down to attend, and since we were not 
present they allowed Pactel to present their case alone.
NEITHER CHUCK NOR MYSELF WERE EVER INFORMED OF THIS MEETING!
As a result of that (they claim), they decided that they 
were going to file charges... Chuck has indicated to me 
that political pressure was brought to bear at the very 
highest level of the City Attorneys office and THAT is why 
they suddenly broke their word, did not inform anyone, and 
decided to take the action thay did! Needless to say, Chuck
is furious and told me intends to perform some rearrangement 
of their anatomy as a result of this! He is of the opinion
that this latest action is totally politically motivated.
He also had some other comments and conclusions but
I had best not quote them in an open message! Chuck is taking 
it as a personal afront and has so informed the filing attorney.
I think that I need not mention how I am taking it and
what my position is!
       I will have more information and details this weekend and 
will post them as I learn them. In the meantime, there ARE 
things that anyone who is concerned can do: Write Ira
Reiner, the L.A. City Attorney (Suite 1800, City Hall East,
200 N. Main St., L.A., CA 90012), and let him know exactly
how you feel about this situation specifically and/or
make any favorable comments that you feel appropriate regarding
me and the system. Feel free to lambast him, it is now
more than appropriate! It doesnt have to be a literary work 
of art but write! Also, please copy me with any correspondence
that you may send.  Second, I need to compile a list of
everyone (users and sysops alike) who would be willing to 
attend the arraingement hearing (date TBA) and offer testimony in
my behalf (Chuck would like as many people as possible there
and, more important, at the trial if it goes that far).
       Please tell everyone you know, every sysop, and spread 
these messages around the systems you access all over the 
country! 
       Oh yes, the section of the code that they plan to charge 
me under (I may have listed the number incorrectly earlier) 
is that pertaining to "COMPUTER CRIME USING CREDIT CARDS"...
       Remember!!!  WRITE THE LETTERS TO IRA REINER AND GET ME 
NAMES, ADDRESS, AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF THOSE WILLING TO 
TESTIFY!  AND SPREAD THE MESSAGES!
  
       Tom Tcimpidis
       The Mog-ur's HBBS
       P.O. box 5236
       Mission Hills, CA 91345
       Voice 818-366-4827  Mog-ur's BBS 818-366-1238

       Charles (Chuck) Lindner
       304 S. Broadway, Room 422
       L.A., CA 90014

> End of msg # 10733 from SYSOP  (1) <


Msg # 10721 on 08/29/84 at 22:51:07
From: PEGGY WATT (7)
To: <ALL>
Subject: CHARGES AGAINST TOM <13>

To: all concerned BBS users
From: Peggy Watt, InfoWorld reporter

I thought the telephone company and city of L.A. had decided 
not to press charges against Tom (so did he!) but since 
they have, I'm back to covering the question of sysop 
liability for messages...I'm interested in any and all comments
on the issue, observations, and reports on what other sysops
are doing to protect themselves.  I understand Tom's attorney, 
Chuck Lindner, is relying on good sysop support, and I want 
to follow that, too. 
Feel free to leave me messages/comments on this board, or 
contact me at InfoWorld (800-344-INFO). 
Thanks, Peggy.
  
> End of msg # 10721 from PEGGY WATT (7) <
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